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	<title>Comments on: Parakeet Morality</title>
	<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/</link>
	<description>Seeking Wisdom, Washing Dishes</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-33305</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your post through the Christian Carnival -- thanks for submitting it!  After many years in the prolife movement, I never heard this argument, which does merit some more exploration.

I'm not sure childless people have more loyalty to the state, per se, but they are able to devote more time and attention to other causes -- whether politics or evangelism or hedonism.  Your post made me think of I Corinthians 7:32-35, where Paul says the unmarried can devote more time to serving Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your post through the Christian Carnival &#8212; thanks for submitting it!  After many years in the prolife movement, I never heard this argument, which does merit some more exploration.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure childless people have more loyalty to the state, per se, but they are able to devote more time and attention to other causes &#8212; whether politics or evangelism or hedonism.  Your post made me think of I Corinthians 7:32-35, where Paul says the unmarried can devote more time to serving Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: tipper</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-33115</link>
		<dc:creator>tipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comparison of the parakeets and abortion-gives me chills and makes me think thoughts I'd rather ignore. Very good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comparison of the parakeets and abortion-gives me chills and makes me think thoughts I&#8217;d rather ignore. Very good post.</p>
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		<title>By: e-Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-33011</link>
		<dc:creator>e-Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-33011</guid>
		<description>Wow, Jennifer. This post is just amazing. Worthy of musing on for awhile. Will discuss with my DH too. :~D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Jennifer. This post is just amazing. Worthy of musing on for awhile. Will discuss with my DH too. :~D</p>
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		<title>By: Fencepost</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-33002</link>
		<dc:creator>Fencepost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-33002</guid>
		<description>Interesting post, Jen!
I'll have to ponder on that one. But it does make some sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post, Jen!<br />
I&#8217;ll have to ponder on that one. But it does make some sense!</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32993</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32993</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Debbie&lt;/b&gt;, thanks for the link to your sister's blog. I read her post about giving up her daughter at birth. It was both moving and haunting, a beginning with no end. I hope, if it's God's will, that she can find her someday, and can fill that place of continual wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Debbie</b>, thanks for the link to your sister&#8217;s blog. I read her post about giving up her daughter at birth. It was both moving and haunting, a beginning with no end. I hope, if it&#8217;s God&#8217;s will, that she can find her someday, and can fill that place of continual wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie Chavers</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32986</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Chavers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32986</guid>
		<description>Wow! Jen, what a great post. Thoughtful and insightful at the same time.  My sister gave up a little girl when she was 19 and posted recently on her blog about her heartache and hope for a better life for her daughter who is 27 now. You can read her entry  http://terryjturner.blogspot.com/ Regardles of your belief in Christ your sense of knowing tells you it is wrong to take a God given life from another.  God did not leave us without a witness.  Even before I accepted Christ as my personal Saviour, I knew it was wrong to harm someone else.
Life is precious.  Anyone considering abortion please allow someone to adopt your precious gift from God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Jen, what a great post. Thoughtful and insightful at the same time.  My sister gave up a little girl when she was 19 and posted recently on her blog about her heartache and hope for a better life for her daughter who is 27 now. You can read her entry  <a href="http://terryjturner.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://terryjturner.blogspot.com/</a> Regardles of your belief in Christ your sense of knowing tells you it is wrong to take a God given life from another.  God did not leave us without a witness.  Even before I accepted Christ as my personal Saviour, I knew it was wrong to harm someone else.<br />
Life is precious.  Anyone considering abortion please allow someone to adopt your precious gift from God.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32960</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32960</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Heidi&lt;/b&gt;, I'm so glad you weighed in here. I also believe that in general, childless couples have less interest in something they have no investment in. Do you watch the stocks you don't own? No. When you don't have kids, you aren't so careful about the decisions of the local school board or whether baby toys have inordinate amounts of lead.

So, like my parakeets, your interest will naturally turn to something else, like the state, which is trying to be the substitute for the family, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Heidi</b>, I&#8217;m so glad you weighed in here. I also believe that in general, childless couples have less interest in something they have no investment in. Do you watch the stocks you don&#8217;t own? No. When you don&#8217;t have kids, you aren&#8217;t so careful about the decisions of the local school board or whether baby toys have inordinate amounts of lead.</p>
<p>So, like my parakeets, your interest will naturally turn to something else, like the state, which is trying to be the substitute for the family, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32959</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32959</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Heather&lt;/b&gt;, I appreciate your comment!

&lt;b&gt;Snake Myths&lt;/b&gt;, of course, this all does come down to Christ, and that is an unavoidable truth. I think that statistically, people who choose to not have children, and certainly people who choose to have abortions, are more likely to not be Christians - that is a generalization, please don't take offense, anyone. 

So, I agree with you, that when Christ is your center, you are more likely to live according to God's word, which is actually very clear on the issue of abortion. When there is a Creator who knits you together in your mother's womb, Who is the author and designer of all life, it becomes apparent that the destruction of His creation is something beyond mere surgical procedure or self-interest, and enters the realm of the sacred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Heather</b>, I appreciate your comment!</p>
<p><b>Snake Myths</b>, of course, this all does come down to Christ, and that is an unavoidable truth. I think that statistically, people who choose to not have children, and certainly people who choose to have abortions, are more likely to not be Christians - that is a generalization, please don&#8217;t take offense, anyone. </p>
<p>So, I agree with you, that when Christ is your center, you are more likely to live according to God&#8217;s word, which is actually very clear on the issue of abortion. When there is a Creator who knits you together in your mother&#8217;s womb, Who is the author and designer of all life, it becomes apparent that the destruction of His creation is something beyond mere surgical procedure or self-interest, and enters the realm of the sacred.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32958</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 04:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32958</guid>
		<description>Snake.  I disagree with you.  It is entirely plausible that a childless couple with a much more reduced concern for future generations (implied and exemplified by their lack of investment in it) and would therefore be looking to the state to solve their more immediate need. 

It is a rare childless couple who is truly devoted to the concept and sense of family routinely experienced, expressed and committed to by couples who have chosen to create famly units larger than themselves.  Adoption/ natural methods, etc., etc.

And to counter your other point.  Any person who does not have Christ as the center of their life will inherently be loyal to what they believe will serve their best interests. The State, their neighbor, their Higher Power.  Even their pets.  

And finally.  Because apparently I am feeling a bit contentious...

Any believer who understands the gift of life they have been given themselves will be Pro-Life.   They will see the inherent beauty, blessing and privilege and responsibility of life.  They will understand that the power of life and death is not theirs to hold and use as a weapon against the defenseless.  Whether those defenseless individuals be the terminally ill, the elderly or the unborn.

*steps off soapbox*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snake.  I disagree with you.  It is entirely plausible that a childless couple with a much more reduced concern for future generations (implied and exemplified by their lack of investment in it) and would therefore be looking to the state to solve their more immediate need. </p>
<p>It is a rare childless couple who is truly devoted to the concept and sense of family routinely experienced, expressed and committed to by couples who have chosen to create famly units larger than themselves.  Adoption/ natural methods, etc., etc.</p>
<p>And to counter your other point.  Any person who does not have Christ as the center of their life will inherently be loyal to what they believe will serve their best interests. The State, their neighbor, their Higher Power.  Even their pets.  </p>
<p>And finally.  Because apparently I am feeling a bit contentious&#8230;</p>
<p>Any believer who understands the gift of life they have been given themselves will be Pro-Life.   They will see the inherent beauty, blessing and privilege and responsibility of life.  They will understand that the power of life and death is not theirs to hold and use as a weapon against the defenseless.  Whether those defenseless individuals be the terminally ill, the elderly or the unborn.</p>
<p>*steps off soapbox*</p>
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		<title>By: Snake Myths</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32955</link>
		<dc:creator>Snake Myths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 03:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32955</guid>
		<description>"Does it seems plausible that childless people will be more loyal to the state than to the family?"

No, but it is more plausible that a person without Christ could potentially be more loyal to the state than to family. Why? Because their moral center might not be oriented to have anything to do with the idea of family being important. It might be career, friends, their hobbies, or something else.

That's not to say that all Christians are by default anti-abortion but when doing the will of God becomes the mandate you live by it's much more likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does it seems plausible that childless people will be more loyal to the state than to the family?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, but it is more plausible that a person without Christ could potentially be more loyal to the state than to family. Why? Because their moral center might not be oriented to have anything to do with the idea of family being important. It might be career, friends, their hobbies, or something else.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that all Christians are by default anti-abortion but when doing the will of God becomes the mandate you live by it&#8217;s much more likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32939</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.diaryof1.com/2009/03/07/parakeet-morality/#comment-32939</guid>
		<description>That is brilliant and something I have felt in my gut for some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is brilliant and something I have felt in my gut for some time.</p>
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