Comments on: The French Atheist Still Wanted Jesus on the Cross http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/ Seeking Wisdom, Washing Dishes Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:30:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Karen http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-497 Karen Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:38:50 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-497 Bravo! It may take years--and maybe you'll never know--but I bet that visit and your example stay with Elise. And change her. Bravo! It may take years–and maybe you’ll never know–but I bet that visit and your example stay with Elise. And change her.

]]> By: Jen http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-482 Jen Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:04:34 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-482 Crimson Wife, well, I'm jealous that you got to be an au pair in France for a summer. I actually signed up to do that same thing, for a year in Besancon, France, after college....well, I met my husband and never did that. I still hold it against him. :-) I can imagine that living in a post-Christian culture like that was very depressing at times. Here in the U.S., despite some strong anti-Christian forces, there are equally strong Christian movements - the Light shines all the brighter in the darkness. Mrs. Happy Housewife, thank you for your comment and prayers. I visited your very fun looking website and enjoyed it, but wasn't able to get your dang registration thing to work, so I couldn't leave you a note. Crimson Wife, well, I’m jealous that you got to be an au pair in France for a summer. I actually signed up to do that same thing, for a year in Besancon, France, after college….well, I met my husband and never did that. I still hold it against him. :-)

I can imagine that living in a post-Christian culture like that was very depressing at times. Here in the U.S., despite some strong anti-Christian forces, there are equally strong Christian movements - the Light shines all the brighter in the darkness.

Mrs. Happy Housewife, thank you for your comment and prayers. I visited your very fun looking website and enjoyed it, but wasn’t able to get your dang registration thing to work, so I couldn’t leave you a note.

]]> By: Mrs. Happy Housewife http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-478 Mrs. Happy Housewife Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:05:06 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-478 Hi, I came here through the Carnival of Homeschooling and I just wanted to pause a moment and comment. This post saddens me and makes my heart weep. I can't imagine growing up in such a place. I have yet to explore more of your site so I don't know much about Elise but I will be praying for her and her country. Hi,

I came here through the Carnival of Homeschooling and I just wanted to pause a moment and comment. This post saddens me and makes my heart weep. I can’t imagine growing up in such a place. I have yet to explore more of your site so I don’t know much about Elise but I will be praying for her and her country.

]]> By: Crimson Wife http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-477 Crimson Wife Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:04:20 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-477 I spent a summer in France working as an au pair, and my host family thought it very strange that I went to Mass every Sunday. The only other people there were a handful of very elderly folks. My host family considered themselves to be Catholic but only ever went to church on Christmas, Easter, and to baptisms, weddings, or funerals. They did not pray before meals or bed and had no religious books or other items in the house. Granted there are a fair number of American Catholics who are the same way, but they wouldn't consider it weird for someone to want to be more observant. Very sad! I spent a summer in France working as an au pair, and my host family thought it very strange that I went to Mass every Sunday. The only other people there were a handful of very elderly folks. My host family considered themselves to be Catholic but only ever went to church on Christmas, Easter, and to baptisms, weddings, or funerals. They did not pray before meals or bed and had no religious books or other items in the house. Granted there are a fair number of American Catholics who are the same way, but they wouldn’t consider it weird for someone to want to be more observant.

Very sad!

]]> By: Jen http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-474 Jen Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:22:00 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-474 Mrs. Darling, I agree, God's Word is alive and active, and I firmly believe something of what was said there went home with Elise. Mandi, I often get frustrated over certain words (like "indoctrination" or "fundamental") being co-opted by the Left, and seemingly stolen from the vocabulary of the Right. Jane, you know what CD will be included in my next care package to Elise! Mrs. Darling, I agree, God’s Word is alive and active, and I firmly believe something of what was said there went home with Elise.

Mandi, I often get frustrated over certain words (like “indoctrination” or “fundamental”) being co-opted by the Left, and seemingly stolen from the vocabulary of the Right.

Jane, you know what CD will be included in my next care package to Elise!

]]> By: Jane http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-470 Jane Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:39:04 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-470 Sounds like she would be open to gifts of Christian music- she will have scripture in her head and not even really realize it.!!! Sounds like she would be open to gifts of Christian music- she will have scripture in her head and not even really realize it.!!!

]]> By: Mandi http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-469 Mandi Mon, 30 Jul 2007 00:13:53 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-469 Absolutely Jen - if we are not indoctrinating our children then we can be assured that someone else is - the word indoctrination only seems to find itself being used in a "religious" realm - but the fact remains that even atheism is a religion as is any view on life - you really have three choices - there is a God, there are many gods, or there is no God/gods right? The way I see it is there is intentional and unintentional indoctrination - but its all indoctrination just the same. Thanks for sharing this - will be praying for Elise! How exciting when we get to see God at work in other's lives too! Warmly, Mandi Absolutely Jen - if we are not indoctrinating our children then we can be assured that someone else is - the word indoctrination only seems to find itself being used in a “religious” realm - but the fact remains that even atheism is a religion as is any view on life - you really have three choices - there is a God, there are many gods, or there is no God/gods right? The way I see it is there is intentional and unintentional indoctrination - but its all indoctrination just the same.

Thanks for sharing this - will be praying for Elise! How exciting when we get to see God at work in other’s lives too!

Warmly,
Mandi

]]> By: mrs darling http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-448 mrs darling Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:52:13 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-448 well done! Im so glad you took her to church. God Word will not return to Him void. I will pray for this young girl! well done! Im so glad you took her to church. God Word will not return to Him void. I will pray for this young girl!

]]> By: Jen http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-445 Jen Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:56:57 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-445 Thanks, Smallworld and Renae, for the kind words. Mikey, thanks for commenting. I would say that calling France "an environment where impressionable children aren't being indoctrinated" is questionable. If you follow my link on the Jacobins, you can see that France has a terrible history of indoctrination attempts. It's just probably an indoctrination that you agree with. The Jacobinism of Revolutionary France, under the leadership of militant atheists, led to the guillotine for anyone who was a religious cleric, expressed religious convictions, or in some other way were not the atheistic ideal. Present day France is certainly different from Revolutionary France, but one can't deny the institution of secularism there. Luc Ferry, the former Education Minister of France, called for "sacred secularism," in which he wants religious-style ethics, but NO religion. How is indoctrination of secularism any different from indoctrination of religious convictions? "Indoctrination" being defined as teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs uncritically. Thanks, Smallworld and Renae, for the kind words.

Mikey, thanks for commenting. I would say that calling France “an environment where impressionable children aren’t being indoctrinated” is questionable. If you follow my link on the Jacobins, you can see that France has a terrible history of indoctrination attempts. It’s just probably an indoctrination that you agree with.

The Jacobinism of Revolutionary France, under the leadership of militant atheists, led to the guillotine for anyone who was a religious cleric, expressed religious convictions, or in some other way were not the atheistic ideal.

Present day France is certainly different from Revolutionary France, but one can’t deny the institution of secularism there. Luc Ferry, the former Education Minister of France, called for “sacred secularism,” in which he wants religious-style ethics, but NO religion.

How is indoctrination of secularism any different from indoctrination of religious convictions? “Indoctrination” being defined as teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

]]> By: mikey http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-444 mikey Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:57:01 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-444 Even I would go to church for chocalate cake... with ice cream of course. Without the cake I have no use for church. "Elise" lives in an environment where impressionable children aren't being indoctrinated in religion to the extremes that people subject their children to in other parts of the world. Does a child have the intellect to decide whether there is or is not a god? Even I would go to church for chocalate cake… with ice cream of course. Without the cake I have no use for church. “Elise” lives in an environment where impressionable children aren’t being indoctrinated in religion to the extremes that people subject their children to in other parts of the world. Does a child have the intellect to decide whether there is or is not a god?

]]> By: Renae http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-440 Renae Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:48:07 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-440 Thank you for the education on France! We will pray for Elise. May your love draw her to Christ. Thank you for the education on France! We will pray for Elise. May your love draw her to Christ.

]]> By: SmallWorld http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-439 SmallWorld Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:50:26 +0000 http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/07/24/the-french-atheist-still-wanted-jesus-on-the-cross/#comment-439 What a fascinating post. Thanks for sharing. What a fascinating post. Thanks for sharing.

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