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The French Atheist Still Wanted Jesus on the CrossPosted July 24th, 2007 by Jen in france/french, religionI took Elise to church this past Sunday. Mostly because she had never been to church before, except for a wedding or two. And she was soon returning to France, so I wanted to be sure to include this visit in her small tour of America. I wrote earlier about some perceptions this French teenager has of America. I don’t entirely understand her view of American religious life, but here’s what I observed.
“Is there a concert today?” she asked, as we entered the sanctuary with worship in session. She saw a stage set up with a band and several singers, and the quality of the music was so outstanding, she thought it must be a performance. Kudos to the worship band at this church, it was amazing. Elise nudged me again. “Where is the Christ on the Cross?” she wanted to know. I pointed to the large wooden cross on the wall. “But the Christ?” I’m so used to being in Protestant churches it took me a moment to understand what she was saying. I told her that Jesus rose from the grave after three days, so He was no longer on the cross. Then came the laughter. The preacher was telling jokes, and the entire congregation was laughing out loud. This totally shocked her. I had to explain to her why it was funny, and in my opinion completely appropriate, for the pastor to joke about an old, unmarried lady at a conference, who, upon being asked her life verse, gave the scripture about “If any man would come after Me, let him.” “This does not seem religious,” she stated firmly. I just can’t believe this is religious - over and over again this was the confusion in her head. Exactly!! It’s not religious, it’s faith, relationship, fellowship… Why in the world would a young French girl who considers herself an atheist even care about any of these things? Every one of her comments or observations thus far had come from a critical place - not against church, really, but the fact that this church was different from what she knew in France. I concluded several things. First, it’s human nature to be critical of anything new, unknown, or different. It’s funny, because even with her incredibly limited church experience, she still knew enough from her culture and society to know that this American church was strange and unfamiliar. I also concluded something about her unbelief in God. Having not given me an exact reason for why she doesn’t believe, I assumed a few motives. France has a very high rate of folks who report they are either atheist, agnostic, or simply don’t believe in God. Somewhere between 47% and 54%, depending on what study you examine. Compare that to an unbelief rate of just 3% to 9% in the U.S.A. Thanks in huge part to the French Revolution and the following rise to power of the Jacobins. There followed the Reign of Terror, in which more aggressive atheists sought to de-Christianize France. Religion was replaced with reason, and much of this influence remains today. Elise is very in tune with French culture and society, and probably just accepts atheism as a normal way of thinking. She says her father is an atheist, but her mother believes in God. Her family does not practice any religion and does not encourage her to do so. “They wish me to choose what I want,” she explained. She doesn’t have any Christian friends, except her best friend’s mother. And this woman, from what Elise described to me, is involved in the occult. Moving glasses around the table, calling up spirits…this is the only person (other than her mother) Elise could tell me about that she knew and considered to be a Christian. I begged Elise to steer clear of that activity. Some French paradoxes emerged as I continued discussions with Elise. She does not believe in God, but does believe in angels (”Just one person could not have created the world, but perhaps many angels”). She does not believe in biblical prophesy, but does believe that some guy on a French radio talk show can tell people’s future. She does not believe that it’s healthy for children to be taught that there is a God, but she wants children to believe in the tradition of Santa Claus. So, this French atheist wants the crucifix displayed in church, maybe because that is her norm. She has been enculturated with being “normal,” which makes sense for a socialist, secular country. Oh, but she was really, really impressed with the free buffet of snacks and drinks available to all after the church service. “I might go to church in France if it was like this,” she announced in between bites of delicious cake, and I half think that would be the case. And you know what? I’m certain the Holy Spirit was/is at work, drawing her to Himself. The following morning, my radio happened to be on, tuned into the local Christian station. “Everyday” (It’s You I’ll live for) from Hillsong Australia came on, which we had just sung in church. Elise recognized the song, and later told me she liked the song, and wondered where she might find it. Hmmm, interesting. As the pastor said at the end of the service, “It is no coincidence you are here today.” Perhaps concerts and free food will convert the French. |
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What a fascinating post. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the education on France! We will pray for Elise. May your love draw her to Christ.
Even I would go to church for chocalate cake… with ice cream of course. Without the cake I have no use for church. “Elise” lives in an environment where impressionable children aren’t being indoctrinated in religion to the extremes that people subject their children to in other parts of the world. Does a child have the intellect to decide whether there is or is not a god?
Thanks, Smallworld and Renae, for the kind words.
Mikey, thanks for commenting. I would say that calling France “an environment where impressionable children aren’t being indoctrinated” is questionable. If you follow my link on the Jacobins, you can see that France has a terrible history of indoctrination attempts. It’s just probably an indoctrination that you agree with.
The Jacobinism of Revolutionary France, under the leadership of militant atheists, led to the guillotine for anyone who was a religious cleric, expressed religious convictions, or in some other way were not the atheistic ideal.
Present day France is certainly different from Revolutionary France, but one can’t deny the institution of secularism there. Luc Ferry, the former Education Minister of France, called for “sacred secularism,” in which he wants religious-style ethics, but NO religion.
How is indoctrination of secularism any different from indoctrination of religious convictions? “Indoctrination” being defined as teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
well done! Im so glad you took her to church. God Word will not return to Him void. I will pray for this young girl!
Absolutely Jen - if we are not indoctrinating our children then we can be assured that someone else is - the word indoctrination only seems to find itself being used in a “religious” realm - but the fact remains that even atheism is a religion as is any view on life - you really have three choices - there is a God, there are many gods, or there is no God/gods right? The way I see it is there is intentional and unintentional indoctrination - but its all indoctrination just the same.
Thanks for sharing this - will be praying for Elise! How exciting when we get to see God at work in other’s lives too!
Warmly,
Mandi
Sounds like she would be open to gifts of Christian music- she will have scripture in her head and not even really realize it.!!!
Mrs. Darling, I agree, God’s Word is alive and active, and I firmly believe something of what was said there went home with Elise.
Mandi, I often get frustrated over certain words (like “indoctrination” or “fundamental”) being co-opted by the Left, and seemingly stolen from the vocabulary of the Right.
Jane, you know what CD will be included in my next care package to Elise!
I spent a summer in France working as an au pair, and my host family thought it very strange that I went to Mass every Sunday. The only other people there were a handful of very elderly folks. My host family considered themselves to be Catholic but only ever went to church on Christmas, Easter, and to baptisms, weddings, or funerals. They did not pray before meals or bed and had no religious books or other items in the house. Granted there are a fair number of American Catholics who are the same way, but they wouldn’t consider it weird for someone to want to be more observant.
Very sad!
Hi,
I came here through the Carnival of Homeschooling and I just wanted to pause a moment and comment. This post saddens me and makes my heart weep. I can’t imagine growing up in such a place. I have yet to explore more of your site so I don’t know much about Elise but I will be praying for her and her country.
Crimson Wife, well, I’m jealous that you got to be an au pair in France for a summer. I actually signed up to do that same thing, for a year in Besancon, France, after college….well, I met my husband and never did that. I still hold it against him. :-)
I can imagine that living in a post-Christian culture like that was very depressing at times. Here in the U.S., despite some strong anti-Christian forces, there are equally strong Christian movements - the Light shines all the brighter in the darkness.
Mrs. Happy Housewife, thank you for your comment and prayers. I visited your very fun looking website and enjoyed it, but wasn’t able to get your dang registration thing to work, so I couldn’t leave you a note.
Bravo! It may take years–and maybe you’ll never know–but I bet that visit and your example stay with Elise. And change her.
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