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	<title>Comments on: Vacation Bible School Shut Out</title>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/06/25/vacation-bible-school-shut-out/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 02:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great post! I have never thought of what you said in quite that light and I have spent a lot of my time in churches. Having a spouse who was employed as a youth minister we strive to make our ministry more &quot;family orientated&quot; but by the time kids are teens most families have acclimated to the idea of just dropping your kid off.

On the VBS note, I tried to take my daughter this year and want to meet the people etc. She is so used to going everywhere in church with me or dad and being a little shy of new things and new people, she refused to stay. But I was also the only mom in her assigned group who was there with their four year old sitting and checking it out. When she skipped out the door after crying, I realized it wasn&#039;t happening? So much for that trip to Target. Actually it turned into a good week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great post! I have never thought of what you said in quite that light and I have spent a lot of my time in churches. Having a spouse who was employed as a youth minister we strive to make our ministry more &#8220;family orientated&#8221; but by the time kids are teens most families have acclimated to the idea of just dropping your kid off.</p>
<p>On the VBS note, I tried to take my daughter this year and want to meet the people etc. She is so used to going everywhere in church with me or dad and being a little shy of new things and new people, she refused to stay. But I was also the only mom in her assigned group who was there with their four year old sitting and checking it out. When she skipped out the door after crying, I realized it wasn&#8217;t happening? So much for that trip to Target. Actually it turned into a good week.</p>
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		<title>By: SmallWorld</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/06/25/vacation-bible-school-shut-out/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>SmallWorld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, do I ever share your sentiments. When I began attending our church 7 years ago, I was the 2-headed freak who wouldn&#039;t leave her baby in the nursery, didn&#039;t bring her toddler to Sunday School (or the nursery), and stayed with her 6-year-old during VBS--and wouldn&#039;t send him away to church camp. Oh yeah! AND I homeschooled! But I weathered it. For years. I was not a parent like the other parents then, but in the ensuing years--our church has become more and more family focused. Our VBS actually includes an adult class and teens are asked to volunteer. Parents of any kids are welcome to stay, attend class themselves or walk around with their kids. I have high hopes yet for a family minister to replace the traditional youth minister.

And yes, you are right. We live in a drop-and-go society. What parent in her right mind would stay with her kids rather than enjoy 3 hours of shopping at Target?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, do I ever share your sentiments. When I began attending our church 7 years ago, I was the 2-headed freak who wouldn&#8217;t leave her baby in the nursery, didn&#8217;t bring her toddler to Sunday School (or the nursery), and stayed with her 6-year-old during VBS&#8211;and wouldn&#8217;t send him away to church camp. Oh yeah! AND I homeschooled! But I weathered it. For years. I was not a parent like the other parents then, but in the ensuing years&#8211;our church has become more and more family focused. Our VBS actually includes an adult class and teens are asked to volunteer. Parents of any kids are welcome to stay, attend class themselves or walk around with their kids. I have high hopes yet for a family minister to replace the traditional youth minister.</p>
<p>And yes, you are right. We live in a drop-and-go society. What parent in her right mind would stay with her kids rather than enjoy 3 hours of shopping at Target?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/06/25/vacation-bible-school-shut-out/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love being at our VBS, and one of the main reasons why is that moms, dads, grammas, grampas, plus non related congregation members from every age group will be there helping and leading the program.  I love being in that atmosphere.   Parents are welcome to stay, especially for the little ones as they can be a bit overwhelmed sometimes.  I am glad that despite your feelings on that issue, that the program was successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love being at our VBS, and one of the main reasons why is that moms, dads, grammas, grampas, plus non related congregation members from every age group will be there helping and leading the program.  I love being in that atmosphere.   Parents are welcome to stay, especially for the little ones as they can be a bit overwhelmed sometimes.  I am glad that despite your feelings on that issue, that the program was successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/06/25/vacation-bible-school-shut-out/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heid, Dana, good to know there are some welcoming VBSs that you&#039;ve come across. The five day club sounds really interesting - I&#039;ll look into that. You two probably know that this issue runs a lot deeper for me than VBS - this just happened to set me off this week.

Grace, okay, I sure feel as big as an ant for complaining about the particulars of VBS here when you can&#039;t even locate a small church in Dubai!! Fellowship with other believers is so important to a life of faith and I really hope you find that. For right now for your daughter, you and your husband can (and this is the best) give her a Christian education in your own home, just through simple things like teaching her Bible stories, praying with her, talking about God as you go about your day.

Crimson Wife, thanks!! I&#039;ll be reading that article - I love the idea of Family Faith Formation. THAT is what my problem is with Sunday School, VBS, or any other Christian educational format - the discongruence between church and home, parent and child... Parents end up feeling like the VBS or Sunday School is doing the job, so they often don&#039;t follow through, and the child ends up feeling like spiritual matters are in a separate compartment from the rest of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heid, Dana, good to know there are some welcoming VBSs that you&#8217;ve come across. The five day club sounds really interesting &#8211; I&#8217;ll look into that. You two probably know that this issue runs a lot deeper for me than VBS &#8211; this just happened to set me off this week.</p>
<p>Grace, okay, I sure feel as big as an ant for complaining about the particulars of VBS here when you can&#8217;t even locate a small church in Dubai!! Fellowship with other believers is so important to a life of faith and I really hope you find that. For right now for your daughter, you and your husband can (and this is the best) give her a Christian education in your own home, just through simple things like teaching her Bible stories, praying with her, talking about God as you go about your day.</p>
<p>Crimson Wife, thanks!! I&#8217;ll be reading that article &#8211; I love the idea of Family Faith Formation. THAT is what my problem is with Sunday School, VBS, or any other Christian educational format &#8211; the discongruence between church and home, parent and child&#8230; Parents end up feeling like the VBS or Sunday School is doing the job, so they often don&#8217;t follow through, and the child ends up feeling like spiritual matters are in a separate compartment from the rest of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Crimson Wife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crimson Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise Hunnell wrote an interesting article about a month ago for CatholicDaily.org called &quot;Outsourcing Religious Education&quot; where she expressed similar thoughts from a Catholic point of view. She advocates replacing traditional Sunday School with a program that supports family Faith formation. Denise suggests churches offer a family RE program, where parents and children would come together with other families once per month. They would study lessons based on that month&#039;s theme and then take those lessons home to incorporate into family life. 

I think it&#039;s an excellent idea for churches of any denomination!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise Hunnell wrote an interesting article about a month ago for CatholicDaily.org called &#8220;Outsourcing Religious Education&#8221; where she expressed similar thoughts from a Catholic point of view. She advocates replacing traditional Sunday School with a program that supports family Faith formation. Denise suggests churches offer a family RE program, where parents and children would come together with other families once per month. They would study lessons based on that month&#8217;s theme and then take those lessons home to incorporate into family life. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s an excellent idea for churches of any denomination!</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/06/25/vacation-bible-school-shut-out/#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish there&#039;s something like a bible school or even a small church here. My daughter needs to be &quot;educated&quot; of her Christian roots and having lived in Japan, we did not have that chance and now, in an Islamic country that is Dubai...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish there&#8217;s something like a bible school or even a small church here. My daughter needs to be &#8220;educated&#8221; of her Christian roots and having lived in Japan, we did not have that chance and now, in an Islamic country that is Dubai&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/06/25/vacation-bible-school-shut-out/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 05:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just finished a week of VBS.  It was at our church, and I saw to it that my four year old made it directly into the hands of the person responsible for his age group.  That was entirely welcome in our church.

My difficulty was at the other end, really.  I would have loved to help out with VBS again this year.  I think it would have been interesting to do this as a family...but what to do with the baby.  All four of my children in a separate room, one of whom is nursing, and mom in yet another place teaching?  I&#039;m not creative enough to come up with a good alternative, but it seemed a little off.

Have you heard of the five day clubs?  I haven&#039;t been involved directly, but they sound interesting.  I think it involves getting some families together in the neighborhood to do a five day things sort of like VBS, but on a smaller scale, and kids from the neighborhood come.  That seems more conducive to building families and communities.  

But I don&#039;t know.  I&#039;ve only heard of them, never been involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just finished a week of VBS.  It was at our church, and I saw to it that my four year old made it directly into the hands of the person responsible for his age group.  That was entirely welcome in our church.</p>
<p>My difficulty was at the other end, really.  I would have loved to help out with VBS again this year.  I think it would have been interesting to do this as a family&#8230;but what to do with the baby.  All four of my children in a separate room, one of whom is nursing, and mom in yet another place teaching?  I&#8217;m not creative enough to come up with a good alternative, but it seemed a little off.</p>
<p>Have you heard of the five day clubs?  I haven&#8217;t been involved directly, but they sound interesting.  I think it involves getting some families together in the neighborhood to do a five day things sort of like VBS, but on a smaller scale, and kids from the neighborhood come.  That seems more conducive to building families and communities.  </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t know.  I&#8217;ve only heard of them, never been involved.</p>
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		<title>By: heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found that to be the norm, but the church we used to attend has a marvelous and very family friendly environment.  About 1/2 of the adults helping are parents of the children involved, another 15 people that simply loiter about the premises are parents waiting on their children.  Then at the end the non-stop chatter is from parents while their children run about on the yard. 

This is atypical, I know, but it accurately reflects the attitude at this particular church (and it&#039; s not my home fellowship, so this isn&#039;t a mindless plug) toward family and children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found that to be the norm, but the church we used to attend has a marvelous and very family friendly environment.  About 1/2 of the adults helping are parents of the children involved, another 15 people that simply loiter about the premises are parents waiting on their children.  Then at the end the non-stop chatter is from parents while their children run about on the yard. </p>
<p>This is atypical, I know, but it accurately reflects the attitude at this particular church (and it&#8217; s not my home fellowship, so this isn&#8217;t a mindless plug) toward family and children.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimi Rothschild</title>
		<link>http://www.diaryof1.com/2007/06/25/vacation-bible-school-shut-out/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Mimi Rothschild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing. Interesting post. It has me thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing. Interesting post. It has me thinking.</p>
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